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		<title>By: The Digital Natives / Digital Immigrants Distinction Is Dead, Or At Least Dying &#171; EdTechDev</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Digital Natives / Digital Immigrants Distinction Is Dead, Or At Least Dying &#171; EdTechDev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rob Wall [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jerry Gragg</title>
		<link>http://stigmergicweb.org/2006/10/20/the-myth-of-the-digital-native/comment-page-1/#comment-2775</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Gragg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello,
I should introduce myself for background so that my post will be taken in context. I am a 63 year old &quot;geek&quot; or &quot;guru&quot; or, as I like to think, just plain curious. I am completing a BS degree in Information Systems. I have always had family or something get in the way and now it is my turn. I have been involved with computers since the IBM 360, Mod 20, in 1965 and have a different overview of &quot;Digital Natives.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am older than most of my teachers and professors and well beyond their education in my specialty, but there are always unique features and insights to every subject I take and, most importantly, I can never get enough of the &quot;educational process.&quot; I simply love learning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, I must strongly disagree with most of your original post and most of the others. Though thoughtful and insightful you (and me) are dinosaurs. We are. I have a 14 year old grand-daughter who is on another planet, quite literally sometimes. The children in her generation do learn differently. You think you can understand but, you simply are not “wired” to do this. There has been a paradigm (I don’t like that word) change that I have just begun to notice. It is almost as if cave men were brought into this century. You may not like this, I don’t, and that really, is of no importance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is difficult to describe these changes. I have no empirical evidence of this, but I know it just as surely as I know I am typing this, in nice English, instead of texting in macros and broke English. My generation especially, as well as My 40 year old son, simply can not and will not be able to, understand what is happening. I think Toffler’s third wave is here and is overpowering us all without our knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am not asking you to believe me, just go to some teenager who trusts you but is not related. Try and have an intellectual conversation, and you will find you are on different wave lengths, completely different frequencies. I have been studying this phenomena for some time and the pedagogy is alien to me. I am not aware of as many inputs as these young folks. They do learn differently, the stimulations are different. You simply can not suggest there are similarities between the mechanical usage of the way a young person interfaces with a computer and an adult of 30. None of us speak that language, the digital age has finally outdistanced most who are 25 or so and older.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please have an open mind. Study, empirically, what I am suggesting. You will be surprised, I promise.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I should introduce myself for background so that my post will be taken in context. I am a 63 year old &#8220;geek&#8221; or &#8220;guru&#8221; or, as I like to think, just plain curious. I am completing a BS degree in Information Systems. I have always had family or something get in the way and now it is my turn. I have been involved with computers since the IBM 360, Mod 20, in 1965 and have a different overview of &#8220;Digital Natives.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am older than most of my teachers and professors and well beyond their education in my specialty, but there are always unique features and insights to every subject I take and, most importantly, I can never get enough of the &#8220;educational process.&#8221; I simply love learning.</p>
<p>Now, I must strongly disagree with most of your original post and most of the others. Though thoughtful and insightful you (and me) are dinosaurs. We are. I have a 14 year old grand-daughter who is on another planet, quite literally sometimes. The children in her generation do learn differently. You think you can understand but, you simply are not “wired” to do this. There has been a paradigm (I don’t like that word) change that I have just begun to notice. It is almost as if cave men were brought into this century. You may not like this, I don’t, and that really, is of no importance.</p>
<p>It is difficult to describe these changes. I have no empirical evidence of this, but I know it just as surely as I know I am typing this, in nice English, instead of texting in macros and broke English. My generation especially, as well as My 40 year old son, simply can not and will not be able to, understand what is happening. I think Toffler’s third wave is here and is overpowering us all without our knowledge.</p>
<p>I am not asking you to believe me, just go to some teenager who trusts you but is not related. Try and have an intellectual conversation, and you will find you are on different wave lengths, completely different frequencies. I have been studying this phenomena for some time and the pedagogy is alien to me. I am not aware of as many inputs as these young folks. They do learn differently, the stimulations are different. You simply can not suggest there are similarities between the mechanical usage of the way a young person interfaces with a computer and an adult of 30. None of us speak that language, the digital age has finally outdistanced most who are 25 or so and older.</p>
<p>Please have an open mind. Study, empirically, what I am suggesting. You will be surprised, I promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Ask This Question, Part III: A Call for Evidence at www.matthewktabor.com : Education and School Issues, News and Analysis</title>
		<link>http://stigmergicweb.org/2006/10/20/the-myth-of-the-digital-native/comment-page-1/#comment-2774</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Ask This Question, Part III: A Call for Evidence at www.matthewktabor.com : Education and School Issues, News and Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] point is that we don&#8217;t look critically enough at blogging in education. How can we change [...]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://stigmergicweb.org/2006/10/20/the-myth-of-the-digital-native/comment-page-1/#comment-2776</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since, everyone who has read this blog seems to be an educator, I thought you might like some insight from the other side. While I&#039;m not exactly your target audience ( I&#039;m currently a senior college student), I&#039;ve been using social media since the 7th grade; which makes me a &quot;Digital Native&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In terms of the value of social media in education there are two things that I know are true: 1) that we find community in it and 2: WE DO USE IT. Facebook and wiki&#039;s for example, are being used by most college students to conduct class projects. In terms of scientific evidence, the Just Think Foundation - a non-profit dedicated to media education - is planning to release findings on the first study on media literacy proving that it does have a positive impact on the critical thinking skills in middle school students.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In terms of the difference between natives and immigrants, I think  that social media gives us speed and power.  Beleive it or not,
&quot;natives&quot; do expect information as it happens as well as the ability to have our inputs heard. If as educators you can&#039;t see that, well, than, I would call you an &quot;immigrant&quot;....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even from a business standpoint ( drawing from my business degree and internship), ecorporations are changing to meet the demands of social media users. To say that the webcasts are the same as print publication is unrealistic. The internet has changes society, and as educators I beleive that you have to change with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since, everyone who has read this blog seems to be an educator, I thought you might like some insight from the other side. While I&#8217;m not exactly your target audience ( I&#8217;m currently a senior college student), I&#8217;ve been using social media since the 7th grade; which makes me a &#8220;Digital Native&#8221;.</p>
<p>In terms of the value of social media in education there are two things that I know are true: 1) that we find community in it and 2: WE DO USE IT. Facebook and wiki&#8217;s for example, are being used by most college students to conduct class projects. In terms of scientific evidence, the Just Think Foundation &#8211; a non-profit dedicated to media education &#8211; is planning to release findings on the first study on media literacy proving that it does have a positive impact on the critical thinking skills in middle school students.</p>
<p>In terms of the difference between natives and immigrants, I think  that social media gives us speed and power.  Beleive it or not,<br />
&#8220;natives&#8221; do expect information as it happens as well as the ability to have our inputs heard. If as educators you can&#8217;t see that, well, than, I would call you an &#8220;immigrant&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Even from a business standpoint ( drawing from my business degree and internship), ecorporations are changing to meet the demands of social media users. To say that the webcasts are the same as print publication is unrealistic. The internet has changes society, and as educators I beleive that you have to change with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Another commentator on the myth of the &#8220;Digital Native&#8221; &#171; Learning Games</title>
		<link>http://stigmergicweb.org/2006/10/20/the-myth-of-the-digital-native/comment-page-1/#comment-2773</link>
		<dc:creator>Another commentator on the myth of the &#8220;Digital Native&#8221; &#171; Learning Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rob Wall got a bit frustrated listening to a keynote speaker talk about Digital Natives, and decided to blog his opinion here. He argues many of the same points that I do - but perhaps articulates them better! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rob Wall got a bit frustrated listening to a keynote speaker talk about Digital Natives, and decided to blog his opinion here. He argues many of the same points that I do &#8211; but perhaps articulates them better! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wall</title>
		<link>http://stigmergicweb.org/2006/10/20/the-myth-of-the-digital-native/comment-page-1/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill - sorry it took me awhile to approve your comment. I&#039;ve been on a blogging and e-mail break during the school Christmas break.

I agree with you about the importance of separating the fads from the fundamentals. Difficult at times, but there is an ethical imperative for us (educators, in a formal and informal sense) to do so.

Thanks for sharing the resources you compiled; I&#039;m honoured and humbled to be included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8211; sorry it took me awhile to approve your comment. I&#8217;ve been on a blogging and e-mail break during the school Christmas break.</p>
<p>I agree with you about the importance of separating the fads from the fundamentals. Difficult at times, but there is an ethical imperative for us (educators, in a formal and informal sense) to do so.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing the resources you compiled; I&#8217;m honoured and humbled to be included.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kerr</title>
		<link>http://stigmergicweb.org/2006/10/20/the-myth-of-the-digital-native/comment-page-1/#comment-2771</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 06:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

I&#039;ve compiled a summary page of different critiques of Prensky&#039;s &quot;digital natives / digital immigrants&quot; slogan on my learning evolves wiki, &lt;a href=&#039;http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nativesImmigrants&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s hard work but important to distinguish between the attention grabbing fads and deeper, more fundamental changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve compiled a summary page of different critiques of Prensky&#8217;s &#8220;digital natives / digital immigrants&#8221; slogan on my learning evolves wiki, <a href='http://learningevolves.wikispaces.com/nativesImmigrants' rel="nofollow"> here </a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard work but important to distinguish between the attention grabbing fads and deeper, more fundamental changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Performancing, Zotero, Firefox 2.0 and Getting Back to Blogging Here&#8230; &#8212; Constructictism Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Performancing, Zotero, Firefox 2.0 and Getting Back to Blogging Here&#8230; &#8212; Constructictism Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On the reading front George Siemens has another LMS review which as always bangs the nail in the coffin of any VLE. And maybe he is right. Worth downloading and having a look.The  Myth of the Digital Native is a great snapshot and post, which really made me think of what is happening in my classrooms in Egypt and how the supposed Digital Natives don&#8217;t seem to be as native as they are supposed to be. In fact maybe the native is more willing to just let technologies wash over them, and not really even understand the processes behind them? Finally don&#8217;t forget to take a look at the lecture by Mr. Greenfield relating to his everyware book, which looks into ubiquitous computing in a simple and effective way. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On the reading front George Siemens has another LMS review which as always bangs the nail in the coffin of any VLE. And maybe he is right. Worth downloading and having a look.The  Myth of the Digital Native is a great snapshot and post, which really made me think of what is happening in my classrooms in Egypt and how the supposed Digital Natives don&#8217;t seem to be as native as they are supposed to be. In fact maybe the native is more willing to just let technologies wash over them, and not really even understand the processes behind them? Finally don&#8217;t forget to take a look at the lecture by Mr. Greenfield relating to his everyware book, which looks into ubiquitous computing in a simple and effective way. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On the false dichotomy of &#8216;Digital Natives&#8217; and &#8216;Digital Immigrants&#8217; at teaching.mrbelshaw.co.uk</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the false dichotomy of &#8216;Digital Natives&#8217; and &#8216;Digital Immigrants&#8217; at teaching.mrbelshaw.co.uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It&#8217;s probably a combination of these, although I&#8217;d probably put the emphasis on the first and last ones. The conversation bloomed somewhat via the comment thread, leading to Others talking about this issue on their blogs. I&#8217;ve been meaning to post about if for a while and, being inspired by Dave Warlick&#8217;s pre-conference keynote for the K12 Online Conference, I&#8217;ve decided to vodcast my thoughts on this&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s probably a combination of these, although I&#8217;d probably put the emphasis on the first and last ones. The conversation bloomed somewhat via the comment thread, leading to Others talking about this issue on their blogs. I&#8217;ve been meaning to post about if for a while and, being inspired by Dave Warlick&#8217;s pre-conference keynote for the K12 Online Conference, I&#8217;ve decided to vodcast my thoughts on this&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nix</title>
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		<dc:creator>nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about being a digital refugee who has left the old and chosen the new? We are caught in the middle of both worlds and luckily (well, I believe) can see the best in both worlds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about being a digital refugee who has left the old and chosen the new? We are caught in the middle of both worlds and luckily (well, I believe) can see the best in both worlds.</p>
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